Update Nov 20th: PayPal found in my favor and refunded the hosting fees I’d paid to Heroehost. However, Heroehost didn’t restore access to my accounts as a result. There was a brief window when I had access to Internet Marketing Deals and I was able to download an old backup from Heroehost. When I tried to rebuild the site, I found that some of the database tables were corrupted or damaged and couldn’t get the site back up. The blog you’re now reading is now hosted with ServInt.
I had a disaster strike two weekends ago.
I have 17 WordPress websites hosted with Heroehost, which include this blog and Internet Marketing Deals.
The sites are down – all of them.
They’re split between two webservers. One server stopped working early last week as the domain names weren’t resolving correctly.
All Support tickets I submitted went unanswered. I had some tickets outstanding from early in Oct. and when I checked, I found these hadn’t been answered either.
Then, on Friday, the sites on the other webserver simply redirected to their cPanel login pages. So all 17 sites were effectively down.
I was able to log into the cPanels though…for a day. On Saturday I found I couldn’t even get to the cPanels. More support tickets to Heroehost went unanswered.
Luckily, I was able to access the cPanels via a Windows server I rent in the USA. I started downloading the webbizkb.com website. This was a slow process as I had to do it piecemeal as there was only a couple of hundred Megs of space free on that Windows server.
In the meantime, I filed a dispute with PayPal for the monthly fees I paid to Heroehost.
On Monday, my webhosting account was suspended (the one I still had access to). No communication from Heroehost, just the plug being pulled. My guess is that there is someone still manning things there who’s not prepared to offer support and they pulled my account in a fit of pique after receiving the dispute notice.
So now I don’t have any access to any of those 17 WordPress sites. All the sites are backed up on those servers but, of course, I can’t get access to the backups.
So Heroehost have taken some of my prime sites offline and effectively stolen the content on them.
Naturally I escalated the dispute in PayPal.
All my time in recent days has been spent trying to chase this up in one way or another. And, as a result, I’ve had to put back or put off other work.
With those websites now being offline permanently, my income will be severely hit as a result. This is for two reasons:
1. Loss of income from people buying products directly from those sites.
2. Loss of income from affiliate links. I cloak my links so they look better to human visitors and they look like they’re on my sites. There’s an SEO benefit to doing this as well and it allows you to change out old affiliate links for new when products are no longer available or better ones come along, without having to update the links embedded in content itself. So all existing in-content links would redirect to the new affiliate link. But, because my links are centrally managed, and they’re now not working because my sites are permanently down, none of my affiliate links are working. So that includes links added to articles used in article marketing, links in emails I’ve previously sent out, etc.
So why am I moaning to you about this?
1. If you have any websites hosted with Heroehost, move them to a reputable webhost immediately before you lose your sites.
2. Always use a reputable webhost with a long-standing, good reputation. Smaller hosting companies may offer cheaper fees but they’re not worth it in the long run. Dependability and knowing the rug won’t be pulled out from under you is worth a bit of extra money.
3. Never trust your webhost 100%, no matter who they are. While they’re not likely to be malicious like Heroehost, they can be fallible. Take Hurricane Sandy in the USA for example. Any datacenters or server farms that were affected by the flooding may not have enough redundancy built in and all the data they host/store might not actually be backed up on a different site. An act of God or nature could wipe your sites out. So always back up your websites and make sure that you download the backups to your own computer. Then make a backup of that backup in case you get a hard disk crash (that happened to me too only a couple of months ago).
So protect your sites and, especially, the content you spent time creating (or buying). Protect your intellectual property. Don’t rely on others to do it for you. It’s a pain in the ass having to do regular backups but not doing it leaves you open to ruination.
Don’t put yourself in that position.
There was a 50/50 chance that I could get this blog (Internet Marketing Help) up and running again, Fortunately, I was able to download the site and database from Heroehost before they pulled the plug on my account. But that was the only site I had a chance to download. I’m hoping that PayPal can bring pressure to bear on Heroehost to give me access to my sites so I can move them somewhere else.
All the best,
Gary Nugent
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Gary
I hate to hear of stories like this.
Although we haven’t chatted in a while… is there anything I can do? Good luck with Paypal since I fear that hosting may be classified as a non-physical product. Watch out for that as they provide ZERO purchaser cover for that.
Do you have backups of the sites anyplace else?
Take care – I like to think you’re one of the ‘good guys’.
Hi Lostincyberspace,
No, nothing you can do – but I appreciate the offer. PayPal did restore several thousand dollars that were siphoned from my account a couple of years ago when I raised the issue with them but there have been other smaller disputes I’ve opened which weren’t resolved to my satisfaction. So it’s a bit hit or miss with them but I don’t have any other avenue open to me.
I did have backups – on a hard drive that crashed a couple of weeks ago. It’s not the first time that’s happened to me. Back in the late 90s I created an astronomy app about the Moon that was written and upgraded over 3 years. I kept my backups on an Iomega Zip Drive at the time – the only external drive you could get back then. Floppy drives could only hold 1.44Mb and the Zip disks could hold a few 10s of megabytes. My main hard drive crashed (and I lost the software’s source code along with everything else) and when I eventually recovered from that, I booted up the Iomega Drive to access my backups. It died there and then and took the Zip disk with it. I had to break open the drive just to get the disk out. A friend also had a Zip drive so we tried my disk in it. It was completely scrambled and unreadable. So primary and backup copies of important files all destroyed.
I ended up writing the astronomy software from scratch but it took a couple of years to get back where I was with it (it was written part time on free evenings). It still sells today but I could have done without the headache of the lost data. The software was based on mathematical formulas, so could be replicated given enough time. It’s not the same with the websites where the content can’t be replicated once lost. If I could get access to the databases, I could rebuild the sites but without that core all that can be done is to build a new empty site on the domain.
More important to me with the death of my backup drive is the family photos that were on it. No copies of those. There’s a lot to be said for still printing out important photos. Technology is great but when it fails, it tends to do so in dramatic fashion. Once everything’s on the cloud, loss of data shouldn’t be a concern as there’s multiple redundancies built into it to prevent such data loss.
Regards,
Gary
Too late to help now, but after a recent experience I very nearly lost everything (hard drive failed and I had no backups – after a couple of weeks I coaxed it back into just enough life to get the data off, but a specialist had already tried and failed).
Anyway – my closest colleague recommended Acronis to me. It enables you to restore a computer from a brand new hard disk in about an hour – fully automated including all your files, programs, windows etc. I have two separate small hard drives attached – it backs up to one every night and the other once a week. You can also create a boot disk that mean everything is effortless.
Not much use to you now I know. And anyway, we’re talking server not local device.
I guess you have probably tried all possibilities to get everything back – but maybe there is something you haven’t thought of. (Just as I got lucky as I was about to give up on the old hard drive as I tried it one last time.)
It certainly doesn’t help when your hosts are so shitty.
All the best.
I’ll give Acronis a look – thanks for that tip.
It’s very hard to gauge how good a webhost is. If you look around, you’ll always find a few bad reviews about any webhost. Longevity is a factor in determining if a webhost is worth going with but it’s not always a reliable metric – GoDaddy, for example, have high brand profile, been around for years, but have crap technical support and every webserver seems to be set up differently.
And then, an established webhost can come under new ownership. Bolt Webhosting falls into that category. Very highly recommended when I signed up with them about a year ago. Fantastic tech support. Then the owner went and sold the business without telling anyone. First thing the customers knew about it was when servers started crashing and support tickets went unanswered. My server was down for the best part of 2 weeks. When they got it up and running again I was able to move sites off it before it crashed again. Lots of people were similarly affected. And Bolt Webhosting had no backup servers which only exacerbated the problem.
Heroehost was also highly recommended by a person I trust. Initially, it was a great service – fast servers, great support…and then crashed servers and no support. I’ve no idea what happened but my guess is that the owner also sold the business to someone technically incompetent. I even thought maybe they’d just left the keys in the door and walked away from the business and things gradually began to break down. What changed my opinion was that after I raised a dispute through PayPal, the one account I had access to suddenly was suspended. So someone’s there behind the scenes in Heroehost but while they’re not prepared to offer tech support, they are happy to get in a snit when someone points the finger at them.
I must admit, if there’s a shitty webhost out there, it seems likely that I’ll end up signing up with them. Either that or there really are a huge number of lousy webhosts out there. A lot are probably run by inept resellers.
Anyway, I finally managed to rebuild webbizkb.com (this blog) on a ServInt hosting account. It’s not a fast server but at least the site is up and running. I think that’s the only site I’ll be able to resurrect – and that took a week.
Regards,
Gary
I’m sorry to hear of your disaster. I hope you find a way to recover.
In my own small experience with Paypal they seem to only get involved in a meaningful way when the problem involves e-bay. I hope they’ll do better in your situation.
You are one of the “good guys” out there – I respect the work you do and the products you’ve produced (I still use the Clickbank Elite software!).
I wish you the best.
Thanks Joel. I’ve had successful dealings with PayPal in the past in getting a few thousand dollars refunded to my account after it was emptied by a fraudster. But there have been other minor issues I’ve raised with them that didn’t go my way.
PayPal is my last course of action. I found a support phone number for Heroehost after a lot of digging but when I rang it, it turned out to be a call center that serviced a lot of companies. Heroehost wasn’t one of them.
Good to hear you still use Clickbank Elite. I’ve had ideas of doing a web-based version but never seem to get the time to do it!
Regards,
Gary
Hey Gary,
Just a short note to say “I feel your pain” 🙁 So sorry to hear of your plight with those guys, but these days you just can’t afford not be too careful, right?
Hope you get your situation resolved and you’re back up and running soon.l
I guess that’s why I stick with “name brand” Hostgator. They aren’t perfect, but keep things running for the most part. 🙂
All My Best,
Kathe
Thanks Kathe. This blog is now hosted with Servint who are very reputable. I looked at the Hostgator (who I use for shared webhosting) VPS packages but Servint offer more for a similar price. I also don’t like that you have to pay an extra ten bucks a month just to get cPanel with a Hostgator VPS plan.
Regards,
Gary
Hello Gary,
Sorry to hear the bad news. I hope you were able to work things out and that everything is back on track now. Let me know if there is anyway that I can help.
Good Luck!
Hi Chaseb,
I was able to get this blog up and running again a little over a week ago but it took almost a week to coax it back to running order. There’s no one I can bill for all that lost time. But this is the only blog I think I’ll be able to resurrect. Still no reply from Heroehost and no access to my accounts to get at my sites and backups.
Regards,
Gary
I know exactly how you feel – the same thing happened to me with Heroehost around about the same time as you.
I had backups of my 21 sites hosted with them but they werent up to date so it involved loads of work getting them back online and I lost quite a bit of data. I hate to think that a Malicious company like Heroehost now has access to all my customer data.
I didnt think about Paypal, I will open a case now.